DUST Search - There's something...off with current Dust stats

Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:

Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:

1 point of EVE HP is approximately equal to 900 points of dust hitpoints.

I calculated this by comparing the basic railgun in eve to the basic tank railgun (militia) in dust. They should fire approximately the same size rounds, and have roughly the same firing speeds.

The militia railgun does around 900 damage, and the civilian railgun does one damage.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/item_database.php?id=i3638
Divide your damage by 900 to see how much you would do to an eve starship, or multiply your starship damage by 900 to see how much you would do to dusters.

Additionally, the round will have an approximate 10m aoe on impact due to atmospheric transference, estimated by the signature resolution of the turret. /4

So, a single civilian railgun will drop 900 damage over 40 meters, not enough to scratch the paint on a tank or kill a heavy, but enough to kill everything else. Most people run two on their rookieships, so 1800 damage, which will kill most infantry, and lavs.

Moving up, the devs are talking about orbital bombarding destroyers. Let's use my thrasher fit with a rack of 280mm artillery II with tremor S ammunition. That is 8 x 8 x 900 = 57600 damage, and I have a rack of 7, so x 7 = 403,200 damage over a range of 80 meters. (a scout can sprint over 7 meters per second, so in around 11 seconds he may be able to avoid the bombardment. LAVs base speed is 40m/s, so he can easily avoid it. HAVs base speed is around 25m/s.).

Larger ships, lets leap to the 5 million damage titan doomsday, x 900 = 4.5 billion damage. Or, glassing the field.

Battleship weaponry. Let's look at railguns this time (as shown in the e3 beta build trailer).
425mm Railgun II 3.63 x 32(Spike L) x 8(turrets) x 900 (conversion factor)= 836,352 damage over 100 meters or so.

Will these numbers actually be used? probably not, from this we can see that anything above a rookie ship can insta-gib anything on the field. The thing that will be used are the scaling radii of the orbital strikes. Bigger ships, bigger strikes.

Additionally, Ewar strikes will also be used (as mentioned by devs).

EDIT: Now, if they add in specific resistance modules (explosive/em/therm/kin) like eve, then you can coordinate with your striker for single turret precision strikes ontop of yourself. You will survive while your enemy will be destroyed. Such things are possible.

Calculating all of this is like... calculating what EVE capsuleers should be paying their crews for... I mean like what.. a Titan has about 70,000-120,000 crew members onboard, but you never actually have to pay them for their services? There are things that "are just done" and "translated over" in order to simplify the game somewhat.

Can you imagine what it would be like, if Capsuleers had to manage the people on their ships akin to how sports teams manage their athletes? Trading those worth "Second in command" status aboard a ship for X# of "High Value Crew" or somesuch... then having to manage all their salaries?

I can tell you one thing. those large guilds/corporations wouldn't have so much money to wave around if such a thing actually happened.

This is also akin to ships from EVE having direct attacks upon the Dust field. Highly unlikely that any and all ships will be allowed to launch strikes. I expect a module of some kind with a specially designed ship for atmospheric assaults, due to the fact that the upper atmosphere can deflect and incinerate shots if they are not prepared correctly. (also gravity bending etc which capsuleers don't have to worry about in the void)


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Leovarian L Lavitz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 278	Posted - 2012.08.01 23:03:00 - [1] - Quote 1 point of EVE HP is approximately equal to 900 points of dust hitpoints. I calculated this by comparing the basic railgun in eve to the basic tank railgun (militia) in dust. They should fire approximately the same size rounds, and have roughly the same firing speeds. The militia railgun does around 900 damage, and the civilian railgun does one damage. http://eve.battleclinic.com/item_database.php?id=i3638 Divide your damage by 900 to see how much you would do to an eve starship, or multiply your starship damage by 900 to see how much you would do to dusters. Additionally, the round will have an approximate 10m aoe on impact due to atmospheric transference, estimated by the signature resolution of the turret. /4 So, a single civilian railgun will drop 900 damage over 40 meters, not enough to scratch the paint on a tank or kill a heavy, but enough to kill everything else. Most people run two on their rookieships, so 1800 damage, which will kill most infantry, and lavs. Moving up, the devs are talking about orbital bombarding destroyers. Let's use my thrasher fit with a rack of 280mm artillery II with tremor S ammunition. That is 8 x 8 x 900 = 57600 damage, and I have a rack of 7, so x 7 = 403,200 damage over a range of 80 meters. (a scout can sprint over 7 meters per second, so in around 11 seconds he may be able to avoid the bombardment. LAVs base speed is 40m/s, so he can easily avoid it. HAVs base speed is around 25m/s.). Larger ships, lets leap to the 5 million damage titan doomsday, x 900 = 4.5 billion damage. Or, glassing the field. Battleship weaponry. Let's look at railguns this time (as shown in the e3 beta build trailer). 425mm Railgun II 3.63 x 32(Spike L) x 8(turrets) x 900 (conversion factor)= 836,352 damage over 100 meters or so. Will these numbers actually be used? probably not, from this we can see that anything above a rookie ship can insta-gib anything on the field. The thing that will be used are the scaling radii of the orbital strikes. Bigger ships, bigger strikes. Additionally, Ewar strikes will also be used (as mentioned by devs). EDIT: Now, if they add in specific resistance modules (explosive/em/therm/kin) like eve, then you can coordinate with your striker for single turret precision strikes ontop of yourself. You will survive while your enemy will be destroyed. Such things are possible.
Leovarian L Lavitz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 278	Posted - 2012.08.02 10:48:00 - [2] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: 1 point of EVE HP is approximately equal to 900 points of dust hitpoints. I calculated this by comparing the basic railgun in eve to the basic tank railgun (militia) in dust. They should fire approximately the same size rounds, and have roughly the same firing speeds. The militia railgun does around 900 damage, and the civilian railgun does one damage. http://eve.battleclinic.com/item_database.php?id=i3638 Divide your damage by 900 to see how much you would do to an eve starship, or multiply your starship damage by 900 to see how much you would do to dusters. Additionally, the round will have an approximate 10m aoe on impact due to atmospheric transference, estimated by the signature resolution of the turret. /4 So, a single civilian railgun will drop 900 damage over 40 meters, not enough to scratch the paint on a tank or kill a heavy, but enough to kill everything else. Most people run two on their rookieships, so 1800 damage, which will kill most infantry, and lavs. Moving up, the devs are talking about orbital bombarding destroyers. Let's use my thrasher fit with a rack of 280mm artillery II with tremor S ammunition. That is 8 x 8 x 900 = 57600 damage, and I have a rack of 7, so x 7 = 403,200 damage over a range of 80 meters. (a scout can sprint over 7 meters per second, so in around 11 seconds he may be able to avoid the bombardment. LAVs base speed is 40m/s, so he can easily avoid it. HAVs base speed is around 25m/s.). Larger ships, lets leap to the 5 million damage titan doomsday, x 900 = 4.5 billion damage. Or, glassing the field. Battleship weaponry. Let's look at railguns this time (as shown in the e3 beta build trailer). 425mm Railgun II 3.63 x 32(Spike L) x 8(turrets) x 900 (conversion factor)= 836,352 damage over 100 meters or so. Will these numbers actually be used? probably not, from this we can see that anything above a rookie ship can insta-gib anything on the field. The thing that will be used are the scaling radii of the orbital strikes. Bigger ships, bigger strikes. Additionally, Ewar strikes will also be used (as mentioned by devs). EDIT: Now, if they add in specific resistance modules (explosive/em/therm/kin) like eve, then you can coordinate with your striker for single turret precision strikes ontop of yourself. You will survive while your enemy will be destroyed. Such things are possible. Calculating all of this is like... calculating what EVE capsuleers should be paying their crews for... I mean like what.. a Titan has about 70,000-120,000 crew members onboard, but you never actually have to pay them for their services? There are things that "are just done" and "translated over" in order to simplify the game somewhat. Can you imagine what it would be like, if Capsuleers had to manage the people on their ships akin to how sports teams manage their athletes? Trading those worth "Second in command" status aboard a ship for X# of "High Value Crew" or somesuch... then having to manage all their salaries? I can tell you one thing. those large guilds/corporations wouldn't have so much money to wave around if such a thing actually happened. This is also akin to ships from EVE having direct attacks upon the Dust field. Highly unlikely that any and all ships will be allowed to launch strikes. I expect a module of some kind with a specially designed ship for atmospheric assaults, due to the fact that the upper atmosphere can deflect and incinerate shots if they are not prepared correctly. (also gravity bending etc which capsuleers don't have to worry about in the void) There are threads requesting just that functionality popping up all the time. Payment of crews is generally handled by your corporation. (You know that million isk payment to found a corp, and the money to rent an office?). Isk has an enormous transfer rate between it and local currencies. 1000 isk is roughly the same thing as being a billionaire in local monies. It's generally hand-waved as such. EDIT: There will be oribital strike turrets and an orbital strike module. The atmosphere on the planet may be thin, such as mars for barrens, or ultra thick, such as venus. The gravity of the planet may be minute or negligible. Additionally, the round is generally going straight down.